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mark kelly is being asked questions by the panel. >> possibly been in the national instant background check system about him that would have prevented him from buying a gun through a background check. that's part of the solution. the other problem, let's say he was denied, denied the purchase of the gun which he purchased in november of 2010, it would have been very easy for him to go to a gun show and purchase a gun without a background check. so you know, there are several things that need to be done and in my opinion and in gabby's opinion, this is one of the most important things we must do to prevent criminals, terrorists and the mentally ill from having easy access to guns. closing the gun show loophole and requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i mean, for us, i can't think of something that would make our country safer than doing just that. >> thank you. >> and mr. lapierre, in 1999 you testified by the house judiciary committee and you testified quote, nobody is more committed than we are to keeping guns out of criminals hands
mark kelly is being asked questions by the panel. >> possibly been in the national instant background check system about him that would have prevented him from buying a gun through a background check. that's part of the solution. the other problem, let's say he was denied, denied the purchase of the gun which he purchased in november of 2010, it would have been very easy for him to go to a gun show and purchase a gun without a background check. so you know, there are several things that...
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kelly yeah i disagree with mark kelly the fact of the matter is this whether you have a five seven fifteen he would have pulled off at least five of those shots now with odds going to be that he might have hit five for five three four five we don't know but for the comments that i gave to believe that they cut bait am just another magazine size and that's going to change any deaths it's just not not statistical so i think if you look for example new york city police if i remember correctly they typically have fifteen rounds and there's i mean there's nothing magic but there's they have fifteen rounds which seems to say well why do some people need fifteen and other people need ten and who's a better marksman such because i'll tell you those cops but i'll tell you this i think the trend is right now those of you who are pushing to say well let's not get down to ten if you got that then you'd say let's knock it down to seven then five business or related to seven or nine that barney fife used to keep in his pocket in the andy griffith show works quite well for him ok senator durbin asked la
kelly yeah i disagree with mark kelly the fact of the matter is this whether you have a five seven fifteen he would have pulled off at least five of those shots now with odds going to be that he might have hit five for five three four five we don't know but for the comments that i gave to believe that they cut bait am just another magazine size and that's going to change any deaths it's just not not statistical so i think if you look for example new york city police if i remember correctly they...
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to give a sense of how it matched up, mark kelly and wayne la pierre, the ceo of the nra outlined the essence of the hearing. >> gabby and i are pro gun ownership. we are also anti-gun violence. rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals and it does not extend to the mentally ill. when dangerous people get guns, we are all vulnerable. >> a third of our schools right now have armed security already because it works. more gun laws while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution for reducing crime. proposals that only serve to burden the law-abiding will fail again in the future. >> only a couple of times did wane la pierre get into it with a member of the committee. over the hours, it was a reasonable back and forth. it was not the fireworks that some people might have expected. while he opposes the universal background checks, he came with an argument to make saying over and over again, there not prosecutions of laws that are on the books, trying to put the pressure back on the justice departm
to give a sense of how it matched up, mark kelly and wayne la pierre, the ceo of the nra outlined the essence of the hearing. >> gabby and i are pro gun ownership. we are also anti-gun violence. rights demand responsibility. this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals and it does not extend to the mentally ill. when dangerous people get guns, we are all vulnerable. >> a third of our schools right now have armed security already because it works. more...
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mark kelly yesterday. >> i'm a strong supporter of the second amendment as anybody on this panel. my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> stephanie: the "washington post" did a piece perhaps the most important moment in yesterday's senate hearings when mark kelly directly confronted wayne lapierre over the shooting of his wife and another one involving dick durbin. lapierres argument was completely unmasked. he repeatedly voiced the talking point there is no need to expand the background system because criminals don't cooperate. kelly said he said his plan was to assassinate my wife. but because of the gaps in the mental health system those -- we would have likely failed a background check. if we require private sellers to complete a background check and we get those records into the system we will prevent these kinds of crimes. good for him. mark kelley again yesterday. >> he did not have access to a high capacity magazine and the same thing happened christina tailor green would be alive today.
mark kelly yesterday. >> i'm a strong supporter of the second amendment as anybody on this panel. my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> stephanie: the "washington post" did a piece perhaps the most important moment in yesterday's senate hearings when mark kelly directly confronted wayne lapierre over the shooting of his wife and another one involving dick durbin. lapierres argument was...
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i spoke to mark kelly yesterday about his testimony. he said that we're both -- he and congresswoman giffords, are moderate gun owners. they own guns. they have been supporters of gun rights for a long time. he also said that he hopes that they can do something about the safety of our kids and our communities. one tidbit he told me is that he and gabby giffords used to go together to the nra practice range just outside of washington. he almost joined the nra himself but never got around to it. that's their perspective. and then of course on the other side of the witness table the last person we will hear from will be wayne lapierre who will say a lot of familiar things that we've heard from him over the years but even more specifically since the shootings at newtown he's going to say in fact his prepared remarks say that he's going to say law abiding gun owners will not accept the blame for acts of violence of deranged criminals. expect him to be as combative and defiant for people who own guns as he has in the past. >> i'm sitting here
i spoke to mark kelly yesterday about his testimony. he said that we're both -- he and congresswoman giffords, are moderate gun owners. they own guns. they have been supporters of gun rights for a long time. he also said that he hopes that they can do something about the safety of our kids and our communities. one tidbit he told me is that he and gabby giffords used to go together to the nra practice range just outside of washington. he almost joined the nra himself but never got around to it....
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. >> mark kelly, husband of gabrielle giffords. >> rights demand responsibility. first, fix gun background checks. >> it is not a serious solution for reducing crime. >> the nra is clearly, dramatically out of step. >> lapierre dismissed background checks. >> background checks will never be universal. >> you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> because criminals will never submit to them. >> they will not go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. >> you missed the point completely. and i think it is basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> let there be order. >> i think you're missing it. >> let there be more. >> if chairman patrick leahy pressed lapierre. >> if you're a dealer, that is already the law. >> please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here, but if you could just answer the question. >> rights demand responsibility. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame. >> americans are looking to us for solutions and for action. >> this time must be different. >> the senate judiciary committee toda
. >> mark kelly, husband of gabrielle giffords. >> rights demand responsibility. first, fix gun background checks. >> it is not a serious solution for reducing crime. >> the nra is clearly, dramatically out of step. >> lapierre dismissed background checks. >> background checks will never be universal. >> you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> because criminals will never submit to them. >> they will not go...
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but also james johnson, the chief of police of baltimore county, and captain mark kelly, astronaut, navy veteran, and the husband of congresswoman gabby giffords. gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head by a mentally ill gunman in an assassination attempt in january 2011. today in an emotionally charged and at times contentious testimony, the most moving part of the day happen right at the very beginning with a surprise addition to the witness list as gabby giffords herself made her way down the aisle into the hearing room to deliver a short statement to the senators and the assembled media and the audience. this was a surprise today. it was clear that this was not something that was easy for her to do. >> okay. thank you for inviting me here today. this is an important conversation for our children, for our communities, for democrats and republicans. speaking is difficult, but i need to say something important. violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. too many children. we must do something. it will be hard, but the time is now. you must act. be bold, be courageou
but also james johnson, the chief of police of baltimore county, and captain mark kelly, astronaut, navy veteran, and the husband of congresswoman gabby giffords. gabby giffords, of course, was shot in the head by a mentally ill gunman in an assassination attempt in january 2011. today in an emotionally charged and at times contentious testimony, the most moving part of the day happen right at the very beginning with a surprise addition to the witness list as gabby giffords herself made her way...
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also testifying, retired navy captain mark kelly, husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, who was shot two years ago in tucson. the washington post as a story about how families react when local public schools closed. a group of activists a closing schools most of text poor and minority students. -- most effects poor. we would like to hear from you. here are the numbers to call -- you can also find us online. send us a tweet. wheat can share that on the air. you can join the conversation on facebook by looking for c-span .r e-mail us in the headline in the washington post this morning -- what you think's? is closing public schools a civil rights issue? the washington post says -- other stories related to this, from "the huffington post" -- those phone numbers again -- we will start with an independent caller this morning. lou in connecticut. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to see all public schools closed. public schools are a government monopoly, and utter failure. it would be like having a government monopoly in the automobile industry and we would all b
also testifying, retired navy captain mark kelly, husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, who was shot two years ago in tucson. the washington post as a story about how families react when local public schools closed. a group of activists a closing schools most of text poor and minority students. -- most effects poor. we would like to hear from you. here are the numbers to call -- you can also find us online. send us a tweet. wheat can share that on the air. you can join the...
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mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep. do not take intermezzo if you have had an allergic reaction to drugs containing zolpidem, such as ambien. allergic reactions such as shortness of breath or swelling of you
mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ]...
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her gift of speech is a distant memory, said husband mark kelly. yet gabby giffords' halting words. >> too many children. >> reporter: here as a survivor of the tucson assassination attempt that left her partially blind and partially paralyzed. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. >> reporter: giffords and kelly, both gun owners, want congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales to make it harder for criminals and the mentally ill to get weapons. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat. she would not have been sitting here today, if we had stronger background checks. >> reporter: but this first hearing on guns since the newtown massacre had another center of gravity. the national rifle association's ceo, wayne lapierre. >> should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. >> reporter: of all the gun-related ideas on the table, democrats believe universal background checks has the best chance politically. >> we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed th
her gift of speech is a distant memory, said husband mark kelly. yet gabby giffords' halting words. >> too many children. >> reporter: here as a survivor of the tucson assassination attempt that left her partially blind and partially paralyzed. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. >> reporter: giffords and kelly, both gun owners, want congress to expand background checks to gun shows and private sales to make it harder for criminals and the mentally ill to get...
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kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this right does not extend to terrorists, it does not extend to criminals, and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> while wayne lapierre struck a posture less combative than previous press conferences, his views remain questionable, calling for an immediate blanket of security at schools, lapierre dismissed universal background checks, saying criminals would never submit to them. chairman leahy pressed lapierre on background checks and whether and how the nra head had changed his mind on closing gun show loopholes. >> should we have mandatory bac
kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this...
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the same kind of pain and frustration drove gabby giffords and husband, mark kelly, back to capitol hill wednesday two years after the shooting that nearly took her life and did take much of her eyesight and ability to spea speak. >> we must do something. >> reporter: working from her speech therapists handwritten notes, giffords pushed herself to deliver her handwritten message. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. >> reporter: but a different message from the head of the national rifle association. wayne lapierre who rejected democrats proposal to inject background checks at gun shows and gun sales. >> we have to look at what works and never works. my problem with background checks, you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> that was the first hearing related to guns since newtown. others are planned like mental health issues and dealing with violence in video games. senate democrats will have to lead the charge on this and say they expect to have some kind of bill written to get it going over the next month. >> kelly o'donnell in washington, what i'
the same kind of pain and frustration drove gabby giffords and husband, mark kelly, back to capitol hill wednesday two years after the shooting that nearly took her life and did take much of her eyesight and ability to spea speak. >> we must do something. >> reporter: working from her speech therapists handwritten notes, giffords pushed herself to deliver her handwritten message. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. >> reporter: but a different message from the head...
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in fact her husband mark kelly broke the news of today's gunfire in phoenix to everybody at that hearing. the national rifle association's executive vice president wane lap peer also testified there. we will hear from both sides coming up inside fox report. first though a u.s. senator denies any role in a case involving hookers, a private plane, and a wealthy eye doctor. fbi agents raided that doctor's clinic last night in south florida. sea long-time friend and donor to the democratic senator bob menendez of new jersey. he is the chairman of a powerful foreign relations committee. it's still not clear whether the raid involved the senator but it would not be the first time the two men have been linked. back in november, the conservative web site the daily caller interviewed prostitutes who said the senator paid them for sex in the dominican republic. the article claimed the senator flew to that country on the doctor's private jet. late today the senator's office acknowledged that he has traveled on that jet, but says that he paid for the trips properly. his office released a statement t
in fact her husband mark kelly broke the news of today's gunfire in phoenix to everybody at that hearing. the national rifle association's executive vice president wane lap peer also testified there. we will hear from both sides coming up inside fox report. first though a u.s. senator denies any role in a case involving hookers, a private plane, and a wealthy eye doctor. fbi agents raided that doctor's clinic last night in south florida. sea long-time friend and donor to the democratic senator...
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. >> reporter: and with that, give fords left, leaving her husband, mark kelly, to take on the national rifle association's wayne lapierre. kelly argued for better background checks for all gun sales. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> reporter: and kelly said that if the man who shot his wife had been limited to an ammunition clip with just ten bullets, a little girl killed that day might still be alive today. >> the first bullet went into gabby's head. bullet number 13 went into a 9-year-old girl named christina taylor green. >> reporter: lapierre said that new gun laws would only punish those that don't break the law. >> law-abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of violent criminals. >> reporter: when it was over, kelly went over to shake lapierre's hand. the two only agreed on one thing -- the need for stronger measures to keep guns out of the hands of the
. >> reporter: and with that, give fords left, leaving her husband, mark kelly, to take on the national rifle association's wayne lapierre. kelly argued for better background checks for all gun sales. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> my problem with background checks is you're never going to get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> reporter: and kelly said...
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she and her husband mark kelly, the former astronaut, founded a big political action committee exercise last year, basically up veiled it last month with the expressed purpose of advocating gun control laws and come batting the nra wane wayne lapierre testified today well. lapierre says he opposed background checks at gun shows. everybody knows that the polls show that hunters and huntsman think it's good deal. gun control have gas roots and way better professional lobbying effort than the gun control crowd. a ban on semiautomatic rifles is going to be really really tough especially for democrats in red states. now even limiting high ammunition magazines is going to be met with a ton of resistance, bill. >> rosen, there is a story floating around, we have not covered it because it might not be fair. senator robert menendez of new jersey, a friend of his is in big trouble. fbi raided the friends' home in florida today. and there is some unsavory stuff floating around. be careful, rosen, but tell me what you know not speculation about this story. >> all right. bill, we know as an indisput
she and her husband mark kelly, the former astronaut, founded a big political action committee exercise last year, basically up veiled it last month with the expressed purpose of advocating gun control laws and come batting the nra wane wayne lapierre testified today well. lapierre says he opposed background checks at gun shows. everybody knows that the polls show that hunters and huntsman think it's good deal. gun control have gas roots and way better professional lobbying effort than the gun...
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you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun violence. two staunch supporters of the second amendment, two very different views on guns. >> they are god given freedoms. they belong to us in the united states of america as our birth right. no government gave them to us and no government can ever take them away. >> i defended the second amendment flying in combat over iraq in kuwait, you know, defending our country. i own a gun. this really isn't about the second amendment. >> reporter: these will be the star witnesses at congresses' first hearing since the shooting in newtown. mark kelly, the husband of gabby giffords who was
you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun...
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and do you think that she and her husband, mark kelly, will support some specific legislation? >> you know, they've made it very clear through their organization and the creation of it, americans for responsible solutions, and their testimony the other day, they support universal background checks. they support doing something about these high-capacity magazines and, you know, mark has made it very clear that if it were not for a high-capacity magazine, fewer people would have been killed in the tucson shooting that gabby was a victim. clearly, fewer people would have been killed in -- at newtown, as well as aurora. and so those two things -- there seems to start to be -- develop some consensus armound. but we've got to make sure this continues to be a ground-up, grass roots, ground swell of support. because, you know, i wish that there were more members that could find their own courage to do the right thing. but what they really need to do is hear from their constituents about the common sense reforms that are necessary. we've got to have comprehensive reform, short-term and
and do you think that she and her husband, mark kelly, will support some specific legislation? >> you know, they've made it very clear through their organization and the creation of it, americans for responsible solutions, and their testimony the other day, they support universal background checks. they support doing something about these high-capacity magazines and, you know, mark has made it very clear that if it were not for a high-capacity magazine, fewer people would have been killed...
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on the other side mark kelly, gabby giffords's husband former astronaut, and sheriff captain james johnson from baltimore county in full uniform. both kelly and johnson spoke about the need for background checks especially captain johnson saying -- telling the senator, stand with law enforcement. i'm here representing ah law enforcement officers across this country. we are out gunned today. we need the guns. people should not have easy access to them, stand with us for banning assault weapons. they have supported the feinstein bill and for background checks. but then the other side got up -- this woman gail trotter said that every mother needs an ak-15 in her home to protect her kids with all of the high-capacity magazines she can get. this guy coppel said you can't have background checks because then the government will know where every gun is and they will come to your door and seize them. and then wayne lapierre, their whole solution is let's make every school an armed camp. >> it's time to throw an immediate blanket of security around our children. about a third of our schools right no
on the other side mark kelly, gabby giffords's husband former astronaut, and sheriff captain james johnson from baltimore county in full uniform. both kelly and johnson spoke about the need for background checks especially captain johnson saying -- telling the senator, stand with law enforcement. i'm here representing ah law enforcement officers across this country. we are out gunned today. we need the guns. people should not have easy access to them, stand with us for banning assault weapons....
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see him there in the middle of the -- that's mark kelly, but he's there as well. there he is in the glasses. shaking hands with mark kelly, lapierre, pretty much against everything on the table, regarding gun control, including those universal background checks, that's been proposed. listen to wayne lapierre's exchange with senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> talking about gun shows. should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? for sales of weapons? >> if you're a dealer, that's already the law. if you're -- >> that's not my question. please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here. but if you could, just answer my question. >> i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you do not support mandatory background checks in all instances at gun shows? >> we do not because the fact is the law now is a failure the way it is working. >> joe johns, let me bring you in here for me in washington. we have been
see him there in the middle of the -- that's mark kelly, but he's there as well. there he is in the glasses. shaking hands with mark kelly, lapierre, pretty much against everything on the table, regarding gun control, including those universal background checks, that's been proposed. listen to wayne lapierre's exchange with senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the judiciary committee. >> talking about gun shows. should we have mandatory background checks at gun shows? for sales of...
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giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's hearings, national rifle association vice president wayne lapierre pushed back insisting that the real solution to gun violence is to enforce existing laws. >> unfortunately, we've seen a dramatic collapse in federal gun prosecutions in recent years. overall in 2011, federal weapons prosecutions per capita were down 35% from their peak in the previous administration. that means violent felons, gang members and the mentally ill who possess firearms are not being prosecuted. and that's unacceptable. proposing more gun control laws, while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution to
giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's...
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giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's hearings, national rifle association vice president wayne lapierre pushed back insisting that the real solution to gun violence is to enforce existing laws. >> unfortunately, we've seen a dramatic collapse in federal gun prosecutions in recent years. overall in 2011, federal weapons prosecutions per capita were down 35% from their peak in the previous administration. that means violent felons, gang members and the mentally ill who possess firearms are not being prosecuted. and that's unacceptable. proposing more gun control laws, while failing to enforce the thousands we already have is not a serious solution to
giffords and her husband, former astronaut mark kelly have now launched their own campaign for tougher gun laws. capitalizing on the public outcry that followed december's mass shooting at an elementary school in newtown, connecticut. >> after 20 kids and six of their teachers were gunned down in their classrooms at sandy hook, we said, this time must be different. something needs to be done. we are simply two reasonable americans who have said enough. >> ifill: but at today's...